Again?!?!?!?!?!

[Crazydoc68]

So once again a libtard can't control his emotions and spoils it for the larger group. What the hell is wrong with you liberals(I'm honestly starting to believe this is a disease) and controlling your emotions? Why is it all unicorns and rainbows when people agree with your views, but when someone disagrees with your views you lose it? This was a decent thread and then you came in spouting your holier than thou crap.

People are allowed to disagree with the next person. That's what made this country in the past a great country. Now if someone doesn't agree with you libtards, it's "hate speech". Well wake up, its NOT. If I don't agree with the gay lifestyle i should be able to speak out against it. I don't go shoving straight marriage down their throats, I shouldn't have to deal with it in return. I'm straight and married to a woman. Those are my views and beliefs. I read the bible(don't go to church much), but with my beliefs, it says marriage is between a man and a woman. I'm just fed up with all the "special treatments" they get. If you try to tell me they don't, you are a damned liar.

The SCOTUS shouldn't be forcing any decision regarding religion down anyone's throat. What part of freedom of speech and religion do they NOT get. If a certain pastor or priest doesn't want to marry a gay couple due to his/her religious beliefs, he shouldn't be forced to. Wasn't that why this country formed in the first place, in addition to other issues.

Doc

 

[FUPAGUNT]

It's a disease

 

[Viking1204]

I don't understand why when a thread has been going along good for a pretty good time and one person comes in and disrupts everything that person isn't banned and the thread allowed to continue.

 

[Idoono]

Well I won't see anymore of his posts. He made it somewhere both CCHGN and Droshki did not.....my ignore list. For the first time ever on this board I was truely insulted by a members post. I woulld encourage all of you to add him to your ignore list. Maybe then he will move on and we can keep our forum.

Idoono

 

[MAXman]

Doc, I haven't heard anything out scotus forcing pastors to preform gay marriages.
And I doubt urban is a liberal, just an atheist. He should be allowed to call religions fairy takes, or archaic, or silly. That's how people refer to other religions besides Christianity when they are being nice. He doesn't have the right toncall Christians fools, or stupid, or be insulting.

Just like the rest of us don't have the right to call him names. That's not how civilized people act anyways, that's how children act but we aren't children and shouldn't behave like them.

And I see this trend, that's if your not a Christian conservative that toes the party line, or you disagree "out loud " then your no longer welcome here. Was there a rule or something I missed?

 

[Brandon_SPC]

:usa2::usa2:

 

[Crazydoc68]

I don't understand why when a thread has been going along good for a pretty good time and one person comes in and disrupts everything that person isn't banned and the thread allowed to continue.

That's the truth. I know the mods and the owner here have a ton of headaches managing this forum. Like I've said before, I've met some great people on here and some crappy ones. However I feel like I'm back in basic training with the "mass punishment" when it's only one member who is supposedly an adult but behaves worse than my youngest son when he was 2yrs old. Grow up, we are adults here. No one is perfect, but you don't have to think you are to carry on a conversation.

Doc

 

[Crazydoc68]

Doc, I haven't heard anything out scotus forcing pastors to preform gay marriages.
And I doubt urban is a liberal, just an atheist. He should be allowed to call religions fairy takes, or archaic, or silly. That's how people refer to other religions besides Christianity when they are being nice. He doesn't have the right toncall Christians fools, or stupid, or be insulting.

Just like the rest of us don't have the right to call him names. That's not how civilized people act anyways, that's how children act but we aren't children and shouldn't behave like them.

And I see this trend, that's if your not a Christian conservative that toes the party line, or you disagree "out loud " then your no longer welcome here. Was there a rule or something I missed?

By the SOCTUS making their decision. They have to marry them. We have business going out of business and getting sued because they won't make a gay wedding cake. When did anyone have to start doing something against their will because they might get sued because now they are a racist/bigot. When did my or anyone's else's view of an issue become hate speech, just because a few people said it was. The SCOTUS had no right making that decision. It never even should have been heard by them. It was not a BOR or Constitutional decision. Gays make up less than 5% of the poplulation here in the U.S. So why are 95% of the people forced to bend over and have this shit shoved down our throats and see it on TV. They are given special rights, that as a straight person am not entitled to(no I don't care, but it's wrong). If we are all created equal, then why do they need special days and rights for themselves. I should be able to say I'm a conservative Christian without it being hate speech to the liberals. Why do gay people need their own parades. Why do they need 10 days of free leave, unlike straight couples so they can get married. Why do my kids need to see these people scantily clad marching down the street. Why are they allowed to be in a parade in uniform but I can't be. Double standards is what's going to end this country. As if we didn't have enough around already.

Doc

PS. I didn't see any name calling, except for urban.

PSS: I dont see where you have to be a Christian conservative to be a member here.

 

[Idoono]

I do not think that there is any trend on here. While it is true most of us are conservative by nature (hence why we own guns :behindsofa: ) there is no rule that you must be. We can respectfully disagree with each other without resorting to childish rants and trantums. However when you knowingly throw something in peoples faces that is morally repugnant to them, and then tell them their value structure is stupid, archaic, and in general a farce, don't be surprised when people get a little pissed.

While I personally do not care if people eat a hole or suck a pole I do NOT want that shoved in my face. Sadly it seems like those who push that adgenda do not apply the same rules to themselves that they apply to others. Just my 2 cents and I will get off my soapbox now.

Idoono

 

[Famine]

Doc,

I have a lot of respect for you as a poster and for your service but read your 1st post in this thread in light of what Ian put out as the rules governing behavior on his board.

"There will be zero tolerance for personal attacks, this is a forum intended for "Respectful dialogue for firearms enthusiasts" not a soapbox for anyone's personal agenda. State your opinions, respectfully, and respond to others, respectfully, and there won't be any issues.

Many of us have become friends over the past couple of years, and some of us have become irritated with others that participate on the forum. For those who have become irritated with another member, and just can't seem to agree, use the ignore feature. If you don't know how to use the ignore feature contact myself or a moderator and we will be happy to help.

I don't want to see the forum go away, but if we allow it to continue to devolve into a constant state of disrespect, we've lost our way and it is "gone" as far as I'm concerned.

I hope that we can continue successfully and respectfully,"

Once a discussion escalates from the topic being discussed to the use of inflammatory, derogatory attacks on individual members we cross the line Ian drew for his board. Religion and politics are subjects that folks feel deeply and emotionally about and easily and fast slip from talking about the subject to denigrating fellow members that have a different view. There are lots of other forums that cater to politics and religion and permit/encourage firestorms - but not this one. If you read that thread closely it was not just Urban - although he took the attacks to a higher level - there were multiple posts the strayed from the discussion to the individual.

The reason for this board is a place for those that are pro 2A to share information and buy or sell firearms and accessories and for my 2 cents it serves me well and I don't want to lose it.. I save most of my posting to share the beauty of Walmart shoppers at the beach. :becky:

 

[MAXman]

Idoono, I agree. But there's members who throw religion in faces, people have refered to me as a socialist(which infeel was ment as an insult), how about a couple posts up where someone is refering to liberals as mentally diseased(but hey, just kidding). And no, i don't find Brandon's post insulting, but there's people active in these forums who have thier posts and threads deleted and just cannot, for whatever reason, get the point.

Doc, they're not saying religious people have to perform the weddings. They're saying states cannot write laws prohibiting same sex marriage. It doesn't mean southern baptist ministers have to perform the ceremonies. It means a judge at a court house isn't allowed to refuse the document on the basis that it's a same sex marriage.
They made the ruling by expandeding the equal protection of the 14th ammendment(a pre existing law). It in fact isn't writing any laws, it actually nullifies a bunch of existing laws(hey, less laws, less goverment guys), they chose the case because they felt the issue was coming to a head. Everything they did is within the bounds of the laws of our land, as well as in the tradition and nature of the Supreme Court. The fact that it's only 5%( and id love to know where that number was found), means I will support this decision 110%. I've been marginalized and braceted by politicians my entire adult life, I refuse to do it to someone else. Wait until firearms ownership drops below 50%, we will regret ever arguing minority opinion doesn't count.

I can't argue on the silly tendency for people to sue everything. I'll say it's about the only legal recourse we have anymore, but it is tedious.
Plenty of people throw plenty of shit in people's faces, so it's ok for us to do it to them? Come on guys, be the change you want to see,

 

[ilintner]

The climate of the forum isn't going to devolve into a "chase off anyone who disagrees" kind of place. I'm not going to pay the hosting fee every month and contribute to the perpetuation of that stereotype, hence the locked and removed threads.

You're a Christian? Awesome, do your thing. You're gay? Awesome do your thing. You're (insert whatever religion or sexual preference you want here) Awesome... DO YOUR THING.

This is first and foremost a gun forum, and anyone that doesn't like it can take it elsewhere, so please, for my sanity, get off of the soap boxes and take it elsewhere if you can't contain yourselves.

People disagree on lots of things. We have one thing in common, we love guns, can't we just embrace that and keep the bullshit on the back burner?

 

[Famine]

What SCOTUS did was apply the 14th Amendment which includes due process. In the closely divided 5-4 opinion the court ( 2 appointed by Regan - 3 by the Bush Presidents, 2 by Clinton and 2 by Obama - a conservative court by simple numbers) ruled that as the majority of states had legalized gay marriage then to protect the rights of those whose states had not it ruled all states must. It does not require any pastor or priest to marry anyone - what it does do is for all civil authorities that issue marriage licenses or conduct civil ceremonies to do the same for homosexual couples.

Thomas Jefferson had pretty strong opinions on politics and religion:

"Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society."

"Believing... that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." --Thomas Jefferson to Danbury Baptists, 1802. ME 16:281

"I am really mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, a fact like this [i.e., the purchase of an apparent geological or astronomical work] can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry too, as an offense against religion; that a question about the sale of a book can be carried before the civil magistrate. Is this then our freedom of religion? and are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be sold, and what we may buy? And who is thus to dogmatize religious opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be our inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his reason as the rule for what we are to read, and what we must believe? It is an insult to our citizens to question whether they are rational beings or not, and blasphemy against religion to suppose it cannot stand the test of truth and reason. If [this] book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning, refute it. But, for God's sake, let us freely hear both sides, if we choose." --Thomas Jefferson to N. G. Dufief, 1814. ME 14:127

 

[Fletch]

I followed that thread and he defiantly took a smart ass tone towards Christians but I also got the sense that no other point of view was going to be welcomed regardless of how respectful it was delivered. There was one point of view being reinforced and anything to the contrary was going to be pounced on. It's also a stretch to imply the entire thread up until that point was a model of civility.

My experience is that most "conservatives", with whom I agree with much on, talk a good game about individual liberty but can't separate their faith from government. They are great on the 2nd amendment and then lose their minds on something like this. They are just fine trying to legislate their particular ideas of morality making claims that it's what is good for society as a whole. Which is ironic, because that logic completely undermines the good arguments they usually make on the 2nd amendment and excessive government regulation in general.

No one, whether it be pastor or politician, has been able to convince my wife and I how gay marriage will demean or degrade the bond we share in marriage. As Christians, we have given the arguments deep thought and discussion and just can't agree with the logic behind them.

Straight married couples have done a damn fine job of screwing up the institution of marriage all by themselves imo. Over 50% divorce rate and Christians don't fare any better than that average. So just maybe there are things all these holier than thou people screaming to the rooftops need to focus on in their own lives and not be so concerned if two people of the same sex want to make a legal and contractual pledge of life long commitment to each other. Marriage is about a lot more than the sex act which seems to be all the conservatives can focus on for some reason.

The outrage and hysteria over this has put a damper on any hope I had that we could beat Hillary. Maybe Rand's stance of the government not being in the marriage business at all could stand up to the onslaught that will come but most of the others will be hung with their statements on the matter. May work great for the Primary but come General Election time it will be a liability. To believe otherwise is to be as clueless as the folks walking around with their faces buried in their phones begging to be mugged.

Donald Trump, who supports " traditional marriage" , was asked what would he would say to the people who say there is nothing traditional about being married three times. All he could say was they make an excellent point.

I support people minding their own damn business and not worrying about what two other people do that in no way infringes upon their freedoms.


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[RidgeRunner]

However when you knowingly throw something in peoples faces that is morally repugnant to them, and then tell them their value structure is stupid, archaic, and in general a farce, don't be surprised when people get a little pissed.

Idoono

Not taking sides but Isn't that kind of what we do to the Muslims?

 

[RidgeRunner]

Yea, I didn't expect many likes on that one. LOL but hey, don't feel bad, 97.9% of us are hypocrites in many ways.

 

[Crazydoc68]

Doc,

I have a lot of respect for you as a poster and for your service but read your 1st post in this thread in light of what Ian put out as the rules governing behavior on his board.

"There will be zero tolerance for personal attacks, this is a forum intended for "Respectful dialogue for firearms enthusiasts" not a soapbox for anyone's personal agenda. State your opinions, respectfully, and respond to others, respectfully, and there won't be any issues.

Many of us have become friends over the past couple of years, and some of us have become irritated with others that participate on the forum. For those who have become irritated with another member, and just can't seem to agree, use the ignore feature. If you don't know how to use the ignore feature contact myself or a moderator and we will be happy to help.

I don't want to see the forum go away, but if we allow it to continue to devolve into a constant state of disrespect, we've lost our way and it is "gone" as far as I'm concerned.

I hope that we can continue successfully and respectfully,"

Once a discussion escalates from the topic being discussed to the use of inflammatory, derogatory attacks on individual members we cross the line Ian drew for his board. Religion and politics are subjects that folks feel deeply and emotionally about and easily and fast slip from talking about the subject to denigrating fellow members that have a different view. There are lots of other forums that cater to politics and religion and permit/encourage firestorms - but not this one. If you read that thread closely it was not just Urban - although he took the attacks to a higher level - there were multiple posts the strayed from the discussion to the individual.

The reason for this board is a place for those that are pro 2A to share information and buy or sell firearms and accessories and for my 2 cents it serves me well and I don't want to lose it.. I save most of my posting to share the beauty of Walmart shoppers at the beach. :becky:

Didn't even know we had an ignore button.......now I do!

Mods you can close this thread if it crossed any lines........I appologize to the Forum and all its members if this seems like a personal attack in any way.

V/r
Doc

PS: where are these pics of Walmart people. I always get a good laugh at those!

 

[Idoono]

Not taking sides but Isn't that kind of what we do to the Muslims?

Sadly, you are correct, but a lot of what happens to Muslims is due to a fear factor because of the radicals and their wanton attacks on anyone not a Muslim. True Muslims are some of the best and most caring people in the world. It is too bad that the fanatics ruin it by making a mockery out of the Koran kind of like some "Christians" do with the Holy Bible (think them protestors at military funerals).

Idoono

 

[MAXman]

Idoono, seems like Isis likes to kill Sunnis as much as anyone else. But that's a entirly different topic, for a different thread.

Actually, I feel like if this thread is closed, it should not be deleted, but saved for future reference. But I kinda want to get this in: spoke with a retired sailor who's also retired teacher today, we started on initial registration fees(scam if there ever was one), and he said"I'm not a republican, but thier ideas of low taxes and keeping the goverment out of buisness are exactly right". I retorted with"I'm not a democrat, and I absolutly agree with you". We then both agreed congress is so worthless it's obscene, and he read my mind and said"if congress would just do thier jobs, and come to an agreement, then the president and the Supreme Court wouldn't have to step in and do it for them".
There it is gentlemen, that's how I see it. Our representitives can't figure out how to get shit done, unless it's fast tracking the wholesale exportation of American jobs. I don't know the answer, but I can promise that despite the election of cruze/sanders/Clinton/trump/Paul, the next 8 years is going to be more of the same until the house and the senate can pull thier heads out and be bothered to work. But, that's just my modest opinion, worth almost as much as you paid for it.

 

[Famine]

Doc the Walmart beach beauties start here: http://gulfcoastgunforum.com/showthread.php?53-Official-Pics-Thread/page435

Didn't even know we had an ignore button.......now I do!

Mods you can close this thread if it crossed any lines........I appologize to the Forum and all its members if this seems like a personal attack in any way.

V/r
Doc

PS: where are these pics of Walmart people. I always get a good laugh at those!