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I was kinda wondering the same thing. If I had to guess, they'll go into the same category. A brace will basically just be considered a stock. If put on a pistol, it becomes an SBR. It's got nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with disarming the people.I'm curious how these MCK Kits will fall into this?
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So if I buy a multiuse lower, it was never assigned to a gun so to speak. Then is it up to me to register it if I use it in a pistol with a brace configuration? Once I do that, that lower will always be assigned as a SBR after?
Thanks for this!! This is what I thought. I'm going to hold out until I got to register if at all. As soon as the rule rolls out the lawsuits will flood the courts. The theory is that the ATF has no power to make laws, only congress. The SCOTUS just slapped the EPA for the same type thing.There is no formal “registry”... yet.
The lower is logged as “other” when processed to you from the FFL. Even if you bought it “built” with a stock (not brace) as a “complete lower”. Since no upper attached, it wasn’t ‘born’ as a complete rifle or pistol.
Most of us recommend you build it as a pistol first, then it can go from pistol to rifle and back.
(Idiotic rules, yes).
If you decide to follow these latest confusingly retarded aft memorandums in December and Form-1 your lower as an SBR with a brace, then sure, you would then have to treat it as an SBR, with all associated headaches.
Yes. MG registration trumps barrel length. Changing barrel length does not change the MG designation.Time for another headscratcher, it's legal to make a MG into a SBR without any extra paperwork!
If my FFL did this I would never use them again. It's incomplete. It's not a pistol or a rifle, regardless of what's attached on the buffer at that point.If you buy a complete lower with a stock on it from Colt or Aero it's transferred as a rifle and therefore will always be a rifle. If it's sold with a brace it's transferred as a pistol. If it's sold with just the buffer tube and no brace or stock it's transferred as a firearm and can be made into whatever you want.
Show me. The manufacturer does not fill out the 4473It's not the FFL. It's the manufacturer.
Yeah to me that's crazy. They supposedly make us register SBRs because it makes the ordinary rifle more deadly and easier to conceal. The only way to make that even more true according to them is for you to have a SBR'rd MG lol. That sounds way more scary. They're fine with you making a MG super short but not a semi auto rifle/pistol. Oh hell no don't do that lmao.Yes. MG registration trumps barrel length. Changing barrel length does not change the MG designation.
Example: Back in the day I bought a M16 stripped lower (for the curious, I paid $1500 and that included the A1 stock and parts, A1 upper 20" barreled receiver and all internal parts). It was papered on the Form 4 as a MG with the barrel and overall lengths listed as Not Applicable. Shortly thereafter, the stock and barrel were attached, I wrote ATF to notify them. ATF wrote back that the record had been updated to reflect it was no longer just a receiver. I keep the ATF letter with the original Form 4, as the Form 4 shows it as just a MG receiver. I routinely swap barreled uppers depending upon what I want to shoot, and since they are not PERMANENT changes, there is no requirement to notify ATF of the temporary changes.
You want to invoke memories of Waco. All of us yelling a lot got that SOB who killed or was at the very least an accessory to killing at Waco kicked out of the running for ATF Director, when he was already a shoe in. That's only one example. Just saying... squeaky wheel gets the grease, and words work. Read up on the NRA-ILA and their words. The ILA, their lawyers and words, is the one thing associated with the NRA that I will support, until they get rid of Wayne LaPierre. Words... yelling... you want to do anything more than that, better make sure it's legal first or else even suggesting to do it in words can be federal timeBut that’s all, we just yell a lot and that’s it
It kind of reminds me how a frog don't know it's boiling if you heat the water slow enough. Many of the older gun guys saw this happen slowly over time. Younger newer gun guys like you me and others walk into this and get hit with it all at once. Then think wtfffff??? Lol. I'm in my 40s and most all this stuff was law long before I got into guns. So I can relate with how overwhelming it is.why do we just take this shit? I’m a 20 something year old guy, all I have seen in the gun community is whining. We whine about it saying “shall not be infringed” all the time. Everything time they pull this crap, gun people get really mad and don’t do a thing. Maybe they switch a vote or call a congressman a time or two. But that’s all, we just yell a lot and that’s it. Look at Waco and Ruby Ridge, gun owners just stood and watched. Like come on, fed agents were killing our fellow US citizens and y’all at the time just watched. Notice not to long after those events the AWB passed, and still y’all did nothing. Like everyone agrees this is overreach, yet everyone is planning to comply. With some hope in the future that a court will overturned this decision??? Maybe I’m young and dumb, but at some point we have to make a stand. We can’t just hope that courts will rule our way forever.