Gingershooter
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Trying to find the post, but bear creek arsenal made a run of 16inch pistol gas length barrels because the illegals they had working didn't understand what to do
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Way more educated than me clearly but i second this.Not a good take at all in my opinion, a bca that runs correctly and has 7k on it is more rare than a unicorn in the wild. Colt, Smith & Wesson, IWI, and other ~$1,000ish rifles are budget friendly reliable rifles; BCA, Anderson, and the like are the cheapest for a reason, and reliability most certainly takes a hit. They cut a lot of corners to sell you a rifle for $600, like not dimpling the bottom of the barrel for gas block grub screws (gas block can work it's way off the port), not staking the gas key screws on the bcg, cheap gas key screws on the bcg (that have a tendency to break off, if they don't back out), low quality metal for receivers (x-ray them, they're full of air bubbles), bcg, and bolt resulting in premature wear, or all out broken stuff (prematurely sheared off bolt lugs), if they manage to run. Their machining is terrible, and their qc is worse, so an unhealthy majority of their products are out of spec. ALL of the cheap guns are overgassed, just to be sure they run, which is bad for the already weaker parts (again, if it manages to run).
I'll never understand why people pinch pennies so hard when it comes to life saving equipment. Save for another two weeks or a month or whatever if you're financially tight, and buy something that doesn't have a reputation for being garbage. Why take the chance on low quality gear, if you may have to replace it anyway? Just buy something duty grade to begin with, train with it, and not have to worry about it. If you aren't on a tight budget and you buy garbage anyway, you either don't know anything about the platform and didn't do any research, or you're being cheap, and it's always the latter who go out of their way to justify buying cheap guns. Either way, gun communities are slam full of both. Ironically, it's always people who can afford better who do this, people on a budget tend to do more research and ask questions to ensure they make a good buy.
At any rate, if that gun actually has 7k on it, congratulations on your unicorn, but I don't believe that it's made it that far without anything breaking or needing adjustment, and hasn't malfunctioned. You'd have an easier time convincing the pope you've met Elvis.
To all who may read this, please disregard this thread if you're looking for a budget rifle, and do plenty of research for yourselves before committing money to something you intend to protect life with. Low quality guns may have an attractive price tag, but they are VERY far from "just as good".
Sincerely, a poor with ~$9k wrapped up in two rifles, a lot of mechanical intellect, and an internet connection (the internet has a lot of information about literally everything, for those who don't know)
21 Years Military and 16 LEO Experience with the Platform. If it was "Crap and Not Reliable", I wouldn't still have it. A lot of what you said about BCA is not true. Throw some "FACTUAL" documents up here, not Internet Musings.Not a good take at all in my opinion, a bca that runs correctly and has 7k on it is more rare than a unicorn in the wild. Colt, Smith & Wesson, IWI, and other ~$1,000ish rifles are budget friendly reliable rifles; BCA, Anderson, and the like are the cheapest for a reason, and reliability most certainly takes a hit. They cut a lot of corners to sell you a rifle for $600, like not dimpling the bottom of the barrel for gas block grub screws (gas block can work it's way off the port), not staking the gas key screws on the bcg, cheap gas key screws on the bcg (that have a tendency to break off, if they don't back out), low quality metal for receivers (x-ray them, they're full of air bubbles), bcg, and bolt resulting in premature wear, or all out broken stuff (prematurely sheared off bolt lugs), if they manage to run. Their machining is terrible, and their qc is worse, so an unhealthy majority of their products are out of spec. ALL of the cheap guns are overgassed, just to be sure they run, which is bad for the already weaker parts (again, if it manages to run).
I'll never understand why people pinch pennies so hard when it comes to life saving equipment. Save for another two weeks or a month or whatever if you're financially tight, and buy something that doesn't have a reputation for being garbage. Why take the chance on low quality gear, if you may have to replace it anyway? Just buy something duty grade to begin with, train with it, and not have to worry about it. If you aren't on a tight budget and you buy garbage anyway, you either don't know anything about the platform and didn't do any research, or you're being cheap, and it's always the latter who go out of their way to justify buying cheap guns. Either way, gun communities are slam full of both. Ironically, it's always people who can afford better who do this, people on a budget tend to do more research and ask questions to ensure they make a good buy.
At any rate, if that gun actually has 7k on it, congratulations on your unicorn, but I don't believe that it's made it that far without anything breaking or needing adjustment, and hasn't malfunctioned. You'd have an easier time convincing the pope you've met Elvis.
To all who may read this, please disregard this thread if you're looking for a budget rifle, and do plenty of research for yourselves before committing money to something you intend to protect life with. Low quality guns may have an attractive price tag, but they are VERY far from "just as good".
Sincerely, a poor with ~$9k wrapped up in two rifles, a lot of mechanical intellect, and an internet connection (the internet has a lot of information about literally everything, for those who don't know)
Man you're old lol21 Years Military and 16 LEO Experience with the Platform. If it was "Crap and Not Reliable", I wouldn't still have it. A lot of what you said about BCA is not true. Throw some "FACTUAL" documents up here, not Internet Musings.
21 Years Military and 16 LEO Experience with the Platform. If it was "Crap and Not Reliable", I wouldn't still have it. A lot of what you said about BCA is not true. Throw some "FACTUAL" documents up here, not Internet Musings.
Wouldn't change their qc though so Bca just needs to change their name to something catchy and 5x the price. It's just "dick waving" using firearm brands.
Btw I love sidechargers. Don't need fa, bullet bump or stupid zip stick. Stoner originally didn't have any of that crap on it. If you have an issue it's much easier to pull a handle and shake. Another stupid design is the latch on the ch. Why? SI makes a latchless handle that is far superior. Ymmv
What is a bullet bump/zip stick? Brass deflector and charging handle?Bca just needs to change their name to something catchy and 5x the price. It's just "dick waving" using firearm brands.
Btw I love sidechargers. Don't need fa, bullet bump or stupid zip stick. Stoner originally didn't have any of that crap on it. If you have an issue it's much easier to pull a handle and shake. Another stupid design is the latch on the ch. Why? SI makes a latchless handle that is far superior. Ymmv
Now as a military guy and Leo you would think this story alone would be enough for him to not care for bca lol27 people taken into custody by ICE agents during raid at Sanford manufacturing company
Approximately 30 people were taken into custody by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement at a manufacturing company in Sanford Tuesday morning.abc11.com
Well, we better stop eating fruit and vegetables too.... get real.Now as a military guy and Leo you would think this story alone would be enough for him to not care for bca lol
Well, we better stop eating fruit and vegetables too.... get real.
Oh I'm not knocking it because of cheap labor. Cheap labor is the only thing that is keeping this country afloat. I'm saying don't boast a company that does bottom barrel practices/work as being just as good. They changed names as a company for a reason.Well, we better stop eating fruit and vegetables too.... get real.
I agree with you insofar as bcg and barrel being your reliability parts, but other problems still arise from lesser quality receivers being out of spec, and stuff like weak/out of spec hammer springs causing light strikes, etc. Sure, you may build one cheap, and get lucky and all the parts fit together, and it may even cycle properly, but if the machine work is out of spec by just a couple thousandths, it won't run correctly nor be long term reliable. If you aren't spending $300+ on new receivers, you're messing up, and $350+ on a barrel and bcg is a reasonable amount you can expect to spend on duty grade parts. The rest of the small parts and furniture will add up quickly, and there's not much price difference between quality small parts and cheap ones. For instance, a cheap trigger is what, 50 bucks? Sure, a geissele runs anywhere from $150-250, but larue's mbt 2s is another great and popular trigger, and it's like, $90. When it's all said and done, you certainly can nickel and dime one together, but a duty grade weapon that's infinitely less likely to give you problems down the road can be had for not much more.AR parts prices are back low again.
I think the heart of any good rifle starts with the BCG and barrel. Personally, I believe you can build a rifle today that will see you through the toughest field conditions possible and still be well under 1K before adding an optic.
For the most part breaking a bolt or extractor are the main risks concerning cheaper parts followed by a poor chamber not allowing smooth extraction/feeding that's common with budget barrels.
Any in-spec upper/lower/LPK/CH are pretty affordable right now and usually don't cause issues.
No doubt there is A LOT MORE PURE JUNK out there today.
I agree with you insofar as bcg and barrel being your reliability parts, but other problems still arise from lesser quality receivers being out of spec, and stuff like weak/out of spec hammer springs causing light strikes, etc. Sure, you may build one cheap, and get lucky and all the parts fit together, and it may even cycle properly, but if the machine work is out of spec by just a couple thousandths, it won't run correctly nor be long term reliable. If you aren't spending $300+ on new receivers, you're messing up, and $350+ on a barrel and bcg is a reasonable amount you can expect to spend on duty grade parts. The rest of the small parts and furniture will add up quickly, and there's not much price difference between quality small parts and cheap ones. For instance, a cheap trigger is what, 50 bucks? Sure, a geissele runs anywhere from $150-250, but larue's mbt 2s is another great and popular trigger, and it's like, $90. When it's all said and done, you certainly can nickel and dime one together, but a duty grade weapon that's infinitely less likely to give you problems down the road can be had for not much more.