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Gun Shop gets restraining order on BATF
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Oh wow I was in San Diego for Christmas and snapped a shot of this Billboard in National City. My first initial reaction to it being practically in the Hispanic ghetto was that seems shady how do they get away with that in California of all places.
I googled and realized they were 80% lowers but still thought the location and theme of their advertising seemed to be taunting the big bull.
Guess I wasn't the only one who noticed. Will be interesting to see the outcome.
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I googled and realized they were 80% lowers but still thought the location and theme of their advertising seemed to be taunting the big bull.
Guess I wasn't the only one who noticed. Will be interesting to see the outcome.
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Ah. Details here. Interesting.
http://aresarmor.com/store/NewsArticle/Temporary_Restraining_Order_Against_BATFE
http://aresarmor.com/store/NewsArticle/Temporary_Restraining_Order_Against_BATFE
It appears that buying an 80% lower, while technically legal, may very well put one on the ATF's radar. According to the last link other companies have already turned over their records. Wonder what they plan to do with the info?
Maybe they initially green lighted the legality of these 80% lowers with the plan to seize the records all along and make a list of folks they deem suspect for trying to skirt the law.
One would hope they are only looking for folks who purchased large quantities of them which could indicate their intent was to manufacturer working firearms to sell on the black market.
Smart criminals would obviously pay cash and not use their real identities however. More likely that some poor bastard who read one to many freedom blogs and purchased a few to machine for family and friends will get a few years in federal prison.
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Maybe they initially green lighted the legality of these 80% lowers with the plan to seize the records all along and make a list of folks they deem suspect for trying to skirt the law.
One would hope they are only looking for folks who purchased large quantities of them which could indicate their intent was to manufacturer working firearms to sell on the black market.
Smart criminals would obviously pay cash and not use their real identities however. More likely that some poor bastard who read one to many freedom blogs and purchased a few to machine for family and friends will get a few years in federal prison.
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Iwb4me
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The owner's Instagram account now says that the ATF is currently searching his locations in violation of the restraining order.
Iwb4me
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@jeremyaresarmor if any of y'all use Instagram.
Iwb4me
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I saw that earlier, it sucks, but they will do what they want. Jeremy is a good dude, but he can't outspend the local, state and federal governments in a legal battle. Even if he wins he will still lose.
Here you go; it was ordered by a district judge and was to be in place until an injunction hearing on the 20th of March.
http://aresarmor.com/store/Ares-Armor-dispute-with-the-ATF
It was a US District Court who issued the RO but it had a clause that said it did not restrain lawful criminal proceedings which gave the ATF some wiggle room evidently. Ares Armor is not even an FFL according to the article.
http://www.examiner.com/article/atf...legal-gun-sales-response-to-restraining-order
Now that this has went so public the ATF is not going to back down and embolden other folks to push the limits of the current laws. He is screwed and probably a lot of the people on that list as well. He had balls to put that Billboard up I give him that, but in the end it's going to cause him much hardship unfortunately.
http://www.examiner.com/article/atf...legal-gun-sales-response-to-restraining-order
Now that this has went so public the ATF is not going to back down and embolden other folks to push the limits of the current laws. He is screwed and probably a lot of the people on that list as well. He had balls to put that Billboard up I give him that, but in the end it's going to cause him much hardship unfortunately.
Thanks. I dont see the clause that Fletch was referring to. I'm going to read the article he linked.
Yea, I See it there, they got a modification. Very interesting. Cant believe this doesn't make national news.
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The rub comes from the way they are manufactured because they have every thing easily identified/color coded to make it easy to finish into a firearm. The ATF contends that they manufacture it as a completed lower and then plug the appropriate parts, the manufacturer claims they start with the plug and manufacture the 80% lower around it.
Pretty much the way I see it as well. You can do a lot of things in this country, but when you start rubbing it on the noses of those who whether you like or not have the power to make your life a real bitch; they will usually find a way to make your life a real bitch.
Just my opinion, but the first time someone uses an AR pistol with a Sig Arm brace during a crime they will be changing their ruling on them as well.
Hard to tell, but it could have. The lesson learned here is that just because something may be legal boasting about legally skirting a law will bring you unwanted attention. These are good dudes, but hosting build parties and putting up a billboard and essentially thumbing their nose was a serious lack of judgement.
FNHman
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I thought Forcing someone to do things they don't want to do was determined to be equivalent to kidnapping? So wouldn't the ATF actions of fear tactics to obtain that list be similar to extortion and kidnapping?
