Video "Sir I will not obey that order!"

[Brandon_SPC]

Something that pop up on a thread I was looking at thought I would post the video. Very interesting video nontheless. Wish I could say more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DS2wXSKF5k&list=PLvOVyowmYcu0HeVcvmfzgnG-BNa6pEdWv

 

[Marquezj16]

Thank God I was never ever given an order that went against my morals or beliefs. I served for the pleasure of being able to help my fellow members. I hope those I have trained and mentored continue to pass down the lessons that were passed on to me.

 

[SAWMAN]

Can't prove it. Really do not want to prove it. Really do not care if anyone believes this or not. Simply passing on FIRST HAND knowledge of what happened. I was there. I was asked.

Some years ago before I retired,"certain groups" in the US Military(USN,Army,Marine Corps)were asked something close to the following. "If commanded,could you/would you direct small arms fire(fire on) towards the civilians of your community and others" ??

I was there. We as a group could not believe it. We were stunned. None of us answered with either a firm "yes" or "no" to my recollection. We all basically forgot about it. We never even talked about it amongst ourselves. Later on we found out that other groups of military members and some members of federal government were also asked this question.

The person that asked us presented himself to us as a rather high ranking active duty officer,NOT personally known to us so as to ID his legitimacy. --- SAWMAN

 

[gendoc]

my answer was....HELL NO SIR !!!
and I was dismissed from that assembly.

I put too much effort in other campaigns to resort to my own kind !!

and believe me, they congrated me for my out-burst !!!

the few,.........FI'd :usa2:

 

[Ric-san]

Twenty years served...never was asked nor ordered to do that...but there's that one line in our oath 'to defend the U.S Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. All of us who took the oath would have to choose mighty fast IMHO. Easy choice for me, then again Im retired so I can say 'No'.

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

 

[gendoc]

yes you are right ric-san...... but your community, that was my relatives and family at that time in south Louisiana.
no others were there and were not coming there....
yes, you had an oath..I had the same and my brass understood because of my duties performed.

 

[Marquezj16]

We also cannot blindly follow orders. If you follow orders and they are unlawful, you are on the wrong side of the UCMJ.

 

[Brandon_SPC]

What baffles me is how someone won't stand by the oath and by their fellow troops. This Major has my utmost respect!

 

[pavegunner1]

The Posse Comitatus Act and Related Matters: The Use of the Military to Execute Civilian Law Charles Doyle Senior Specialist in American Public Law Jennifer K. Elsea Legislative Attorney August 16, 2012 CRS Report for Congress Congressional Research Service 7-5700 www.crs.gov R42659

The Posse Comitatus Act outlaws the willful use of any part of the Army or Air Force to execute the law unless expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress. History supplies the grist for an argument that the Constitution prohibits military involvement in civilian affairs subject to only limited alterations by Congress or the President, but the courts do not appear to have ever accepted the argument unless violation of more explicit constitutional command could also be shown. The express statutory exceptions include the legislation that allows the President to use military force to suppress insurrection or to enforce federal authority, 10 U.S.C. §§ 331335, and laws that permit the Department of Defense to provide federal, state and local police with information, equipment, and personnel, 10 U.S.C. §§ 371-382

 

[Crazydoc68]

Unbelievable, but I see it too. The Armed forces diving community is very brash by nature. We have all the scantily clad women, naked women pictures, tattoo's and other offensive things. Last year, we had to take them all down. "Someone" apparently found them offensive all of the sudden. I'm just waiting for them to ask what about personally owned weapons.

On that note, it sucks I just lost them all from my friends boat last weekend. They are in some river......

 

[flyandscuba]

It was never reported by the media - but active duty operators were placed on NOLA roof tops under the cover of darkness during the Katrina aftermath. Those same operators were recovered from those roof tops before sunrise.

The body count attributed to "drowning or other causes" increased during the time they were on the rooftops...

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that those who mysteriously died during the night were the bad actors who had looted weapons from National Guard armories and retail establishments that were firing upon aircraft conducting rescue and disaster response command and control - as the ground fire ceased.

I am sure that incident isn't the only time that active duty military personnel have been asked to fire on US citizens - on US soil...

 

[Jeb21]

It was never reported by the media - but active duty operators were placed on NOLA roof tops under the cover of darkness during the Katrina aftermath. Those same operators were recovered from those roof tops before sunrise.

The body count attributed to "drowning or other causes" increased during the time they were on the rooftops...

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that those who mysteriously died during the night were the bad actors who had looted weapons from National Guard armories and retail establishments that were firing upon aircraft conducting rescue and disaster response command and control - as the ground fire ceased.

I am sure that incident isn't the only time that active duty military personnel have been asked to fire on US citizens - on US soil...

The "American Sniper" made this same claim. The military has consistently denied that this ever happened. I hope that this never happened.

 

[Brandon_SPC]

The "American Sniper" made this same claim. The military has consistently denied that this ever happened. I hope that this never happened.

Well there are videos about how the police and national guard went around disarming law abiding citizens during the after math of Katrina. If that happened I am sure some other "shaddy" stuff happened that we don't know about. I can see it happening though. When I went to MOS school there was an Ssgt that was in the National Guard tI think her said he was a crew chief on a medic helicopter. He did state when they went in to pick up stranded on houses etc, there were people that did shoot at the helicopters so if the snipers were used in this process maybe I don't know. Government like to keep a lot of stuff from their citizens. Which should be opposite.

 

[Marquezj16]

there were people that did shoot at the helicopters so if the snipers were used in this process maybe I don't know

If I'm in a medevac helicopter and you shoot at me, you better believe that you are now my target.

 

[MAXman]

I truly doubt the birds used to airlift citizens from New Orleans were outfitted with weapons capable of of effective fire against ground targets.
And by that I mean I truly doubt any of those birds had any weaponry, at all.

If anyone has some real, actual evidence there were active duty military shooters on rooftops in New Orleans at any point during or after Katrina, I ask you to provide it in this thread.

 

[Crazydoc68]

I truly doubt the birds used to airlift citizens from New Orleans were outfitted with weapons capable of of effective fire against ground targets.
And by that I mean I truly doubt any of those birds had any weaponry, at all.

If anyone has some real, actual evidence there were active duty military shooters on rooftops in New Orleans at any point during or after Katrina, I ask you to provide it in this thread.

Actually, in Chris Kyles book "American Sniper" he talks a bit about his "deployment" to the Katrina aftermath. He doesn't go into great detail, but touches how he had a mission there to do.

Doc

 

[Crazydoc68]

If I'm in a medevac helicopter and you shoot at me, you better believe that you are now my target.

Not a flight medic, but I did ride on one a few times. In A'stan our were armed with a 240G model(think that's the helicopter model). And yes they shot back. It's been recently updated that all Medevac platforms were allowed to mount up to 7.62 for self defense, In light of how the enemy didn't take prisoners.

Doc

 

[Jeb21]

Actually, in Chris Kyles book "American Sniper" he talks a bit about his "deployment" to the Katrina aftermath. He doesn't go into great detail, but touches how he had a mission there to do.

Doc

I read that as well but this account has been called into question.

 

[helicopterfixer]

Can't prove it. Really do not want to prove it. Really do not care if anyone believes this or not. Simply passing on FIRST HAND knowledge of what happened. I was there. I was asked.

Some years ago before I retired,"certain groups" in the US Military(USN,Army,Marine Corps)were asked something close to the following. "If commanded,could you/would you direct small arms fire(fire on) towards the civilians of your community and others" ??

I was there. We as a group could not believe it. We were stunned. None of us answered with either a firm "yes" or "no" to my recollection. We all basically forgot about it. We never even talked about it amongst ourselves. Later on we found out that other groups of military members and some members of federal government were also asked this question.

The person that asked us presented himself to us as a rather high ranking active duty officer,NOT personally known to us so as to ID his legitimacy. --- SAWMAN

I have heard this from other service members as well. What I don't understand is; why did they ask you if they didn't require you to answer with a firm yes or no?

 

[gendoc]

I have heard this from other service members as well. What I don't understand is; why did they ask you if they didn't require you to answer with a firm yes or no?

that's there strategic way to find which direction in the military, your career will be going to !!:juggle: