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Instead of looking for the excaliber of guns, spend some of the time and money seriously shooting.
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Some of US may be offended by being lumped into the 1 MOA Shooter Club! But irregardless of how sloppy Time & Tide or Old Age & Traitorously treat US. Cubic inch Displacement don't make up "Shot Placement"!
A miss with an Atom Bomb is still a MISS! A 22LR in the vital zone shall still be more effective in harvesting game than any miss of any caliber. Just the living truth. JMHO.
Getting back to the OP, one does need 'enough' gun. But one should still put all towards making a good shot first. Some years ago at an IDPA match was a retired Illinois state trooper. He recounted how an arm wound from a 30-06 did not stop a felon. In another case he gut shot a man with a .357 mag and the fugitive run a distance before dying. Felon also may have received other wounds.Agree for the most part. Hydrostatic shock is only so useful, I'm sure many of y'all have seen it play out, animal get knocked down, you think you made a great hit, only for the damn thing to jump up 60 seconds later and run off, or try to.
I've also seen it happen with a human...
You need to read the account by Hunter that while he some years younger than Bell did have some experience with Bell in his older years. On at least one of 'K' Bell last hunts there were problems. Early on in Africa the elephants were easier to approach and perhaps Bell was a better shot in his earlier days. If you place your shots right a 6.5 or 7mm will do the job, but we are talking surgical precision here. Even .22 rim fires have killed elephants, but it is just plain not a good idea. For elephant the .458 Win Mag seems to be a good compromise over what a man can reasonably deploy and yet put a .45 caliber hole through an elephant. Many in africa still consider the leopard the most dangerous even though a shotgun with buckshot is good medicine for it. The problem is hitting one if it decides to attack. They are fast and know the use of cover and are intelligent.That enough gun, kind of reminds me of W.D. Bell the African elephant hunter. Bell used a 7 x 57mm to drop almost a thousand elephants, but it was a direct result of his ability to properly place the shot within the head of the elephant that made the 7 x 57mm enough gun for W. D. Bell.
W. D. M. Bell - Wikipedia
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So when it comes to hogs, the skillset of the shooter will probably more important to determining what distance to take a shot. Most times there isn't much more than 50 yards of clearing in the Florida scrub brush, but clearcuts and power lines can offer shots out to my personal max range of 300 yards. So anything .223/5.56 and up should be effective at 50 yards, but many of the brush calibers may not be very effective at 300 yards. I personally limit .223/5.56 to 50 yards and 7.62 x 39mm/ 30-30 to 100 yard shots. If shots of over 100 yards are to be taken, .308 Win/30-06 are my preferred calibers. Just what works for me, YMMV.
You sound like an honest man and non-assuming person. That is the highest praise you can get from me.This forum is very impressive and informative for some one like me. I am a rarity you could say in the gun world. I don’t own a lot of fire arms but more own 1 or two for each job. I take the fire arm and shoot and adjust it too the respective ranges I will be using it until I can shoot a three round group in a dime or less at 100 and of course open up a little after that. I only use bolt guns for rifles and have never owned an AR style rifle. Use them at work but have never owned one. I have never got into competition shooting but am a sucker for long range shots. Seeing all the different likes dislikes and opinions with those that have similar interest with each other is great. That is how you learn and become better at what you do.
can't get much better than this!Well thank you. Don’t have face book or any of that social media stuff besides this forum and still believe a mans word and a hand shake seals the deal even if a better deal comes after. I also still believe a mans word is all he can have in this world that’s worth anything even if he’s lost everything else that others consider valuable. Been burnt many times by that philosophy but even in these times I’ll still look ya in the eye shake your hand and give ya my word which is my bond. On the other hand if I don’t agree with something I’m not shy and will let ya know straight up front where I stand so there’s no questions wondering or beating around the bush. That’s who I am and I appreciate y’all letting me share your time and knowledge.
Very Nice! TA-31 ACOG? Silencer Co. Can?Killed this one about 7pm this evening with 55gr BTSP .223, 100yard neck shot. DRT. 98lbs
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Yep. Older ta31, Chevron reticle. Sico omega 300 (waiting on my dedicated 5.56 can for approval from the crown) DDM4V11 with G trigger.Very Nice! TA-31 ACOG? Silencer Co. Can?