GOA suing FL over Open Carry Ban & Under-21 Carry Ban.

[sloporsche]

In recent years/decades, I have yet to see/encounter any "dignitary" worthy of my protection, regardless of pay/benefits. Take that as you will.

I am only guessing but it seems like a glamor job taken for the prestige and bragging stories .....as long as ya draw first shift and not guarding the limos on 3rd shift you get to jet around a rub the butts of the rich n powerful and there is plenty of this type of officer /agent around they are one step above ROD retired on duty and you do not wanna go through a door with them.........

 

[IronBeard]

I am only guessing but it seems like a glamor job taken for the prestige and bragging stories .....as long as ya draw first shift and not guarding the limos on 3rd shift you get to jet around a rub the butts of the rich n powerful and there is plenty of this type of officer /agent around they are one step above ROD retired on duty and you do not wanna go through a door with them.........

Everyone is entitled to set their own standards just as I'm entitled to not agree with them, and choose to extend zero respect of their character/conduct.

 

[DustyDog]

In recent years/decades, I have yet to see/encounter any "dignitary" worthy of my protection, regardless of pay/benefits. Take that as you will.

Oh... gotta love when they refer to themselves as "elites". "Elite", my ass. Most referred to as such merely have genetic-defect levels of greed, which in the end is detrimental to everyone including themselves.

Problem being, people like that tend to "float" to the top, where they then hire all the best snipers and security personnel, or at least mediocre ones who are then provided with the best equipment

 

[ABlaster]

In recent years/decades, I have yet to see/encounter any "dignitary" worthy of my protection, regardless of pay/benefits. Take that as you will.

I always reminded myself that I protected the office, not necessarily the individual in it at that exact time. Kind of like you respect the rank, not the person wearing it. Just so anyone doesn't get the wrong idea, while I was the dude in the suit and the earpiece a (very) few times, most of the time I was in full kit with a suppressed SBR and stuffed in a nearby closet, kitchen, unused office, vehicle, or other dead space. Also, it was in addition to other duties. I was never a full-time dignitary guy who traveled with them. Probably why I'm still married!

As far as rubbing butts of the rich and powerful, yeah, not really. All the ones I was around pretty much ignored us. I never tried to talk to any of them, either. Just wouldn't have seemed appropriate.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I am only guessing but it seems like a glamor job taken for the prestige and bragging stories .....as long as ya draw first shift and not guarding the limos on 3rd shift you get to jet around a rub the butts of the rich n powerful and there is plenty of this type of officer /agent around they are one step above ROD retired on duty and you do not wanna go through a door with them.........

There is no glamour and you aren't making connections. It is not a Retired On Duty detail. It is very much a stressful and very hard detail.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I always reminded myself that I protected the office, not necessarily the individual in it at that exact time. Kind of like you respect the rank, not the person wearing it. Just so anyone doesn't get the wrong idea, while I was the dude in the suit and the earpiece a (very) few times, most of the time I was in full kit with a suppressed SBR and stuffed in a nearby closet, kitchen, unused office, vehicle, or other dead space. Also, it was in addition to other duties. I was never a full-time dignitary guy who traveled with them. Probably why I'm still married!

As far as rubbing butts of the rich and powerful, yeah, not really. All the ones I was around pretty much ignored us. I never tried to talk to any of them, either. Just wouldn't have seemed appropriate.

Exactly.

Very similar situation. I protected the office, not the person.

 

[Miami_JBT]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/23/florida-open-carry-ashley-moody-00180553

TALLAHASSEE, Florida — Florida’s Republican attorney general won’t fight a challenge to the state’s ban on openly carrying firearms, sidestepping a court fight in the nation’s third largest state.

Ashley Moody, who was first elected in 2018, has routinely sued President Joe Biden’s administration and publicly complained about authorities who refuse to follow the law. But her office turned down requests to represent a state prosecutor and a county sheriff who were the named defendants in a federal lawsuit brought by a gun rights organization that argues the ban violates the 2nd and 14th Amendment.

This means that Moody, a rumored candidate for governor in 2026, is skipping a potentially game-changing lawsuit that could result in guns being carried publicly in the tourist-dependent state.

The state attorney being sued in the lawsuit asked Buddy Jacobs — who has been a long-time lobbyist for the association that represents prosecutors — to represent him in the case after Moody’s office turned down a request to represent the prosecutor. Jacobs told POLITICO that Moody’s office also declined a request by the St. Lucie County sheriff to get involved in the case.

Kylie Mason, a spokesperson for Moody, would not say why the attorney general had declined to defend Florida’s open carry law. Mason only said in an email that “our office may become involved at a later stage.”

One of the jobs of the state attorney general is to help defend the constitutionality of Florida laws, and Moody has defended laws limiting guns in the past. Moody, for example, is currently helping defend the Florida law that legislators passed after the Parkland shooting that raised the age limit to purchase a rifle from 18 to 21. That’s despite her opposing raising the age limit on the campaign trail in 2018.

Moody has intervened in other, lower profile cases recently. Earlier this year she stepped into a federal lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a recently-enacted law regarding Gainesville city utilities. In 2022, Moody intervened in a federal lawsuit that the American Civil Liberties Union filed against the Leon County court clerk that included a challenge to the state’s bail bonds law.

Moody has taken on a prominent role challenging the Biden administration and has sharply criticized Democratic politicians who she said fail to enforce the law. At a recent press conference in August, Moody took aim at California Gov. Gavin Newsom and other politicians that she said were letting there be “chaos in the streets” due to their unwillingness to enforce laws they did not agree with.

“Laws are nothing if they are not enforced,” Moody said at the time.

The office of Thomas Bakkedahl, the state attorney who represents several counties in Florida’s Treasure Coast region and is being sued, directed questions to Jacobs. A spokesperson for the St. Lucie County sheriff did not immediately return a request for comment.

“I was surprised when I heard the attorney general would not defend the state but I won’t speculate as to reasons,” said State Attorney Dave Aronberg, a Democrat from Palm Beach County who is not part of the litigation.

But he added that: “There’s not a lot of support for open carry in Florida which is why the plaintiffs are seeking to have the courts do it rather than the Legislature.”

The state Supreme Court has previously upheld the law banning open carry, but the split ruling came seven years ago — before the court’s makeup was changed by Gov. Ron DeSantis.

DeSantis and Moody are considered allies, but the two are elected independently of each other. The governor, who is term-limited, has not overtly gotten involved in the race to replace him.

Gun rights activists did push to scrap Florida’s long-standing open carry law when legislators eliminated permit requirements for concealed weapons. DeSantis said he was willing to consider allowing open carry, but certain legislative leaders — including outgoing state Senate President Kathleen Passidomo — opposed the move. Passidomo cited opposition from Florida’s sheriffs as one of the reasons she did not support open carry.

Gun Owners of America, along with a Palm Beach County gun owner, filed a lawsuit in early August calling the state’s ban on open carry a “blatant infringement” of the Second Amendment rights of Floridians and a violation of equal protection rights.

The gun lawsuit is still in the early stages, although initially those challenging the law nearly got a default judgment because there was no initial response by the defendants.

Last week, Jacobs filed a motion asking the judge to toss out the lawsuit on multiple grounds including that the dispute should be handled in state court. The motion also contends that Florida’s open carry restriction is constitutional and is consistent with the historical tradition of firearm regulation. But the motion also argues that the case should be at least put on hold until a federal appeals court decides the ongoing challenge against the Parkland law.

Luis Valdes, Florida state director for Gun Owners of America, said that only Moody could answer why she has not gotten involved in the lawsuit.

But he said that the organization brought the lawsuit in federal court because the GOP supermajority in the Legislature may “claim to be pro-gun” but their decision to block open carry legislation “reflects their lack of support for the Second Amendment.” Valdes also criticized DeSantis for failing to get legislators to act.

“Florida is the only conservative state in the country to ban open carry and so called pro-gun officials have failed to repeal this gun control,” Valdes said.

 

[Miami_JBT]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/florida-ag-ashley-moody/2024/09/24/id/1181592/

Florida Attorney General Ashley Moody has opted not to defend the state's ban on open carry in a federal lawsuit, leaving a state prosecutor and sheriff to find their own legal representation against a challenge brought by gun rights advocates, Politico reported.

Moody has chosen not to represent the state in a federal lawsuit challenging its ban on the open carrying of firearms, a decision that may have significant implications for gun rights and public safety in the state.

The lawsuit, brought by Gun Owners of America and a Palm Beach County resident, argues that the ban violates the Second and Fourteenth Amendments.

Moody, rumored to be considering a run for governor in 2026, has frequently taken legal action against the Biden administration while criticizing officials who do not enforce laws, declined to represent a state prosecutor and a St. Lucie County sheriff named defendants in the case.

Moody's office is typically responsible for defending the constitutionality of Florida laws.

Kylie Mason, a spokesperson for Moody, did not provide a reason for the decision but indicated that the attorney general's office might become involved later.

The decision has surprised some observers, given Moody's track record of defending gun-related laws. She is currently engaged in defending a Florida law that raises the minimum age to purchase a rifle from 18 to 21, enacted after the 2018 Parkland school shooting.

The lawsuit could potentially overturn the state's prohibition on open carry, reshaping gun policy in a state known for its tourism and diverse population.

The Florida Supreme Court upheld the open carry ban in 2017, but the court's composition has changed under GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis. Despite being allies, DeSantis and Moody are independently elected officials, and the governor has not directly commented on Moody's decision or the ongoing lawsuit.

Gun rights advocates had previously lobbied for open carry legislation when Florida's lawmakers eliminated permit requirements for concealed carry.

However, resistance from law enforcement, including Florida's sheriffs and key legislators such as outgoing state Senate President Kathleen Passidomo, thwarted those efforts. Passidomo cited opposition from law enforcement as a primary reason for blocking open carry legislation.

Luis Valdes, Florida state director for Gun Owners of America, tells Newsmax he is encouraged by Moody's decision to abstain from the case. Valdes has faulted DeSantis for not pushing legislators to enact open carry despite their professed pro-gun stance.

"Florida is the only conservative state in the country to ban open carry, and so-called pro-gun officials have failed to repeal this gun control," Valdes said.

 

[B52]

Looks like it's time to fire sheriffs and prosecutors that clearly don't support constitutional rights.
I was cheering for Moody to be the next governor but she supports age restrictions to buying a gun.
What is her position on the waiting period that is also unconstitutional? Did you know the ATF has twisted the three day wait to as long as a week. Something they have no authority.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Looks like it's time to fire sheriffs and prosecutors that clearly don't support constitutional rights.
I was cheering for Moody to be the next governor but she supports age restrictions to buying a gun.
What is her position on the waiting period that is also unconstitutional? Did you know the ATF has twisted the three day wait to as long as a week. Something they have no authority.

FDLE did that.

 

[B52]

FDLE did that.

No. The ATF threatened FFL's they would fail ATF inspections if they counted the three days as FDLE directed. That is directly what my FFL told me.

 

[Miami_JBT]

No. The ATF threatened FFL's they would fail ATF inspections if they counted the three days as FDLE directed. That is directly what my FFL told me.

Federal law is three days.

After Parkland, FDLE granted themselves the authority to extend waiting periods indefinitely as "pending review." Freezing the background check clock.

It was taken to court and was just struck down.

Also, per the State Constitution, counties are allowed to amend the waiting period up to give days.

What your FFL is thinking is BATFE, it is actually all being done by FDLE. The local BATFE inspector might simply be informing them of the local laws.

Article VIII, Section 6, Schedule Section 5, Subsection B of the State Constitution says the following:

Each county shall have the authority to require a criminal history records check and a 3 to 5-day waiting period, excluding weekends and legal holidays, in connection with the sale of any firearm occurring within such county. For purposes of this subsection, the term “sale” means the transfer of money or other valuable consideration for any firearm when any part of the transaction is conducted on property to which the public has the right of access. Holders of a concealed weapons permit as prescribed by general law shall not be subject to the provisions of this subsection when purchasing a firearm.

 

[B52]

ATF Agent made the claim the ATF was directing the how time for the waiting days was counted. So it was actually the state changed the method. Good to know