Liberty gun safes giving out master codes?

[Duckyou]

Have you read up on the Liberty Gun safe issues?

Without a subpoena Letter Betty has been giving out gun safe master codes.

They ask for a copy of the warrant but do not require police/atf to subpoena the information.

From what I read, I am not going to be buying Liberty anytime soon.

 

[OperationalPinecone]

Me and a buddy were talking about that. Some guy that was in the J6 stuff the Fed Bois looked him up and he had a Liberty Safe, they got the code for it and rolled his house.

The lengths they are going to exploit that day should really wake some people up.

 

[Fear21]

From what I read, I am not going to be buying Liberty anytime soon.

*ever, IMO

 

[G-rat]

My big box isn't a Liberty and I'm happy about that!

 

[IronBeard]

looks like Liberty is courting a big government contract....

 

[FLT]

Liberty has a good many points against them , I‘d change the brand of lock and have a friend order it for me.

 

[Longtooth]

From the horses mouth

 

[ammodave]

If they don't have a code and you refuse to open the safe won't they just cut it open?

 

[Longtooth]

If they don't have a code and you refuse to open the safe won't they just cut it open?

If you refuse to open it, isn't that refusing the warrant? Denying them access to a location listed in the warrant?

 

[DAS HUGH!]

If they don't have a code and you refuse to open the safe won't they just cut it open?

Yep.
That or have a locksmith show up on the tax payers dime.
Either way, they're getting in.

With that being said tho they should have insisted on a subpoena. They're now basically the same as when the airlines, delivery services and credit card companies just handed over people's information without being forced.

I don't like the idea that now those agents have a secret cheat code to all safes now. I'm no safe expert by far. I don't like the idea of them having a universal code whatsoever. But I guess there's likely a law that forces them to idiotproof them for in emergencies and kids get inside them etc. I wonder if they could have skirted that by putting a glow in the dark handle to open it from inside tho. Maybe then they wouldn't need universal codes?

 

[Duckyou]

If they don't have a code and you refuse to open the safe won't they just cut it open?

If their warrant allows it.

The warrant does not require liberty to give out the code.

 

[M60Gunner]

The warrant should spell out what is to be searched for. Seems odd any and all warrants would prompt them to give up the codes, it’s not like they’re a safe company, oh wait! ETA - they should be cautious to cut as most all types of cutters produce heat and or sparks so prob a safety issue for them.

 

[DAS HUGH!]

The warrant should spell out what is to be searched for. Seems odd any and all warrants would prompt them to give up the codes, it’s not like they’re a safe company, oh wait!

Me- "Hello Liberty, yes this is special agent Hugh, I have a warrant for the bank around the corner."

Liberty- "Which bank is that btw?"

Me- "I have a warrant in my hand lady, it don't matter, just gimme the universal code!"

Liberty- "Alrighty then!"

Lol

 

[B52]

Two things. Why is there a code the manufacture has for my safe? The FBI is a criminal organization, they don't use warrants.

 

[Jester896]

I don't like the idea that now those agents have a secret cheat code to all safes now.

That isn't the case. The MRC is on file by serial number and all the MRC does is reset the lock to the factory combination of 123456 in most cases.

BTW most of the major safe companies do this with E locks. They also keep mechanical combinations by serial number.

 

[DAS HUGH!]

That isn't the case. The MRC is on file by serial number and all the MRC does is reset the lock to the factory combination of 123456 in most cases.

Ahhhh. Ok. Yeah when I hear "master code" my mind thinks a single code to open all of a certain type of locks, like a master key per say. So it's unique for each individual safe?
If so that's alot better than what I thought

 

[Jester896]

So it's unique for each individual safe?

Yes Sir

 

[DAS HUGH!]

Yes Sir

Well hell. I'd have to Google the banks address before calling them then lol

 

[Longtooth]

Still irritating that they just hand over that information without a court order.

 

[FLT]

Mechanical locks do not have master codes , if you change the code only you and the person that changed it for you know the new code.