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Liberty gun safes giving out master codes?
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Bodhisattva
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Has anyone actually read the search warrant and the affidavit that was prepared for the warrant??
Southalabama
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No need to read it. Search warrant was for the residence and its contents. It was not directed to Liberty.
Totally agree. Unfortunately, the government of Florida is one of the worst offenders in the nation when it comes to selling, trading, and sharing "personal" information. You'd think our liberty-minded governor would make a show of shutting that down.
Odd thing about search warrants. Following the "long" process those seeking them are required to sign an oath. But, in the end, if the warrant is fraudulent/wrong, qualified immunity. Sorry, my bad. Considering the overt inconstituional conduct of the highest justice/law enforcement offices in the land, I tend look suspiciously upon any "warrant" as often as not.
As opined in another post, doesn't really matter. Qualified immunity. If you're wrong for all the "right" reasons, good to go. Appears on the surface to conflict with/violate(?) fourth amendment, but I probably just don't understand the obvious, again...
Bodhisattva
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There is never a clear winner in the court of public opinion and we never have all the facts.
Bowhntr6pt
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Qualified immunity is a double-edged sword.
Anyone who works or has worked in any kind of public safety service will tell you many encounters between LE and citizens is often sketchy and grey. Things may be as they seem... often times they are not. While there are things a cop SHOULD KNOW, there are countless things they don't know... and may never know.
Situations, encounters, and interaction between LE and citizens is especially fluid and dynamic. Facts and circumstances change as the seconds tick where decisions must be made. Many times decisions are a choice between bad and worse. Many times the Paul Harvey isn't known until well after the problem solving process.
What bothers me is the fact QI has been granted where it should not have been granted. With that, you destroy the purpose of and integrity in the concept. Same with problematic cops being allowed to resign from their agency vs. facing an IA. When agencies allow that, all they do is kick bad actors down the road. Hard up agencies will hire them... rinse and repeat.
People in general seem to think perfection is an obtainable standard across the board when it comes to LE functions and activities. As long as humans are in the mix, that's not happening.
QI is a must have in order for LE to function... but it shouldn't be automatically applied to every cop in every situation. If anyone thinks LE is back-sliding now, just hold on and get ready if QI goes away.
I fully realize many here will disagree... but hey, it's the internet and this is just one man's opinion.
Anyone who works or has worked in any kind of public safety service will tell you many encounters between LE and citizens is often sketchy and grey. Things may be as they seem... often times they are not. While there are things a cop SHOULD KNOW, there are countless things they don't know... and may never know.
Situations, encounters, and interaction between LE and citizens is especially fluid and dynamic. Facts and circumstances change as the seconds tick where decisions must be made. Many times decisions are a choice between bad and worse. Many times the Paul Harvey isn't known until well after the problem solving process.
What bothers me is the fact QI has been granted where it should not have been granted. With that, you destroy the purpose of and integrity in the concept. Same with problematic cops being allowed to resign from their agency vs. facing an IA. When agencies allow that, all they do is kick bad actors down the road. Hard up agencies will hire them... rinse and repeat.
People in general seem to think perfection is an obtainable standard across the board when it comes to LE functions and activities. As long as humans are in the mix, that's not happening.
QI is a must have in order for LE to function... but it shouldn't be automatically applied to every cop in every situation. If anyone thinks LE is back-sliding now, just hold on and get ready if QI goes away.
I fully realize many here will disagree... but hey, it's the internet and this is just one man's opinion.
RaySendero
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Maybe I'm the only one having problems following this thread!?
If I have a safe (any safe) and change the combination,
Does the manufacturer retain some way to let someone else open it?
If I have a safe (any safe) and change the combination,
Does the manufacturer retain some way to let someone else open it?
Bowhntr6pt
Master
If it has an electric lock apparently so.
RaySendero
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Ok - Got that
Thanks
OperationalPinecone
Master
Yeah from my understanding it's a master reset code that when you punch it in it doesn't matter what you set it to, it brings it back to original configuration and can be opened from there.
OperationalPinecone
Master
More along the lines of what you keep safe is the liberty of others...
correct...if you change the mechanical lock combination they will no longer be able to assist you or your family if the need arises. They program or order the Elocks with an MRC (Management Reset Code) and associate it with the serial number as well.
Longtooth
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From Recoil magazine - The most recent response from Liberty
Im glad they are taking steps in the right direction.
(Full disclosure- I have a mechanical lock safe from them that I got in trade from a member of this forum)
Im glad they are taking steps in the right direction.
(Full disclosure- I have a mechanical lock safe from them that I got in trade from a member of this forum)
Damage control at best , I wouldn’t believe anything they say at this point. I’ll not buy from or recommend them in the future. As it is I’m out the money it cost to change to a mechanical lock. A company that pulled that kind of shenanigan , is not to be trusted.
