Rebel_Rider1969
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Let's see em!!!Started cleaning some guns that I bought at a yard sale a couple of months ago. I did better than I thought I had.
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Let's see em!!!Started cleaning some guns that I bought at a yard sale a couple of months ago. I did better than I thought I had.
Wonder if 44 special from a 44 mag would be more accurate? My 44 mag is a Ruger Talo New Model Blackhawk with 3.75 in barrel. Same accuracy to me with special as the magnums, but much slower bullet speed of course, and less recoil.I've had an on again off again love affair with the 44 Special. This has been going on since the 1970's. Read how great it is, get one, accuracy is never as good as writers like *Skeeter Skelton or Elmer Keith say, sell the pistol, later read more stories, try again, sell cause it never lives up to the hype. So, a few years ago I trade a Glock for a limited production Ruger GP 100 Lipsey's special in 44 Special. Using plated bullets, the accuracy was "ok", but never great. Pistol mainly set aside and not sold.
* = I actually met and spoke with Skeeter.
I then bought a group of bullet molds from an estate seller. Among them was a Lyman 429244 (gas check 245-250gr semi wadcutter, depending upon the alloy). Cast some test bullets with my #2 alloy and size .430" (bores are suppose to be .428-.429" and I like to size bullets a little bigger). Accuracy "ok", but not great, no better than my worked up plated bullet loads, and it leaded the bore. Clean lead out of bore and study up on the problem. Try my 20/1 alloy used for old rolling blocks...maybe a softer alloy would help seal the bullet going down the bore...groups shrink and no leading. Read about using bullets sized to the cylinder throat diameter. Test by dropping sized bullets into cylinder, and my .430" fall right through the cylinder...test fails (thus they are not always being presented into the bore straight on is my understanding). Passing would be bullets stay in the throat and yet can be pushed out of the cylinder throat using a pencil with a little amount of pressure...in other words they better fit the cylinder throat. A friend loans me a .431" bullet sizing die (bullets actually come out .4315"). They now pass the cylinder throat test. Test various charges of Unique with the 429244 bullet...groups shrink further...now we're talking. The load that works the best of the loads tested is Skeeter's carry/general purpose load of 7.5gr Unique, giving 912fps in the GP 100, that had shot like crap in two S&W (models 24 and 624) 44 Specials years ago (possibly too hard of alloy and not sized right diameter, but I didn't know). Friend gives me the .431" sizing die.
I win a pile of older Handloader magazines in an auction, read them and then give away to shooting friends. Scattered throughout the years are articles on the 44 Special and how "special" it is. Find out Lipsey's had a run of Ruger Blackhawks done in 44 Special at least 9 years ago. They had a steel grip frame rather than aluminum and a flat top with a Micro rear sight instead of Ruger's top with "ears" and the Ruger adjustable rear sight. Hmmm. Look in Gunbroker and sure enough there are a few for auction, but most everyone has starting bids in the $1000 + range cause they are "rare". One gunshop had an as-new in the box 4 5/8" one with starting bid of 699 & buy now of 749. Every day I'd check and no bids. Finally on the last day I bid 699, and with no others bids, I won. Seller shipped it real fast, and I picked it up Saturday. Looked like it'd been fired a few shots and then put up in the original box with paper work.
Today I took it to the range. Not knowing what load it liked, I took my plated bullet and cast bullet loads for a starting point that the GP 100 shot the best with that I already had on hand. Plated bullet load sucked to put it mildly. 1st group with 7.5gr Unique load and .4315" cast bullets shot nice. Next group with same load shot even better as I got used to it (to me, it had more recoil compared to mild factory loads, and the Ruger emblem edge on the grip dug into a callus on my thumb causing a little bleeding...I learned how to keep the callus away from the emblem). Shot more as I adjusted the rear sight. I then shot at cans 35yd away off a sand bag rest. Really wasn't counting, but it seems out of 12 shots, I only missed soda cans twice...for me, with open sights, that is great. As Yoda might say, Happy I am.
In the first pic you can see how the steel grip frame blends in finish-wise with the steel receiver. 2nd pic shows a small flaw in the grip frame above the Ruger emblem...no big deal or I wouldn't have bid on it. See third pic showing the Micro rear sight and flat top. You can see how the Ruger grip emblem sticks out of the grip material a bit which is what caught on the edge of my thumb callus.
Next project: Make up more 20/1 alloy and cast a year or more worth of 44 bullets.
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Was the 15-22 one of the old or new ones? Mine runs great, even 42gr subs.Back at Talon for the third day in a row! Practiced my competition stuff and confirmed repair on a Glock 35.
I called S&W about the M&P 15-22 jamming and they sent me a mailing label so they can look at it. I will send it off next week.
Not sure about accuracy, but the shorter case means more travel to the forcing cone, plus you end up with a carbon ring, that if not cleaned properly, can cause trouble with loading/extracting full length loads. If you reload, loading .44 special-level loads in full lenghth cases is not hard, and eliminates the 'ring' issue, plus others.Wonder if 44 special from a 44 mag would be more accurate? My 44 mag is a Ruger Talo New Model Blackhawk with 3.75 in barrel. Same accuracy to me with special as the magnums, but much slower bullet speed of course, and less recoil.
Researched this.
Brand new on the market...
Brand new in the box...
And it's missing parts
At least a no questions asked lifetime bumper to bumper warrantyFor the $$$ it should come with an extra gun.